Friday, December 30, 2011

facebook discussion: Murti puja: sahi ya galat


मूर्ति पूजा में अच्छा या बुरा लगने वाली बात नहीं है. ये इस तरह है जैसे बचपन में हम चार लाइनों वाली कापी में लिखते थे और बड़े होकर बिना लाइनों वाली में. बचपन में हम हाथ पकड़ कर चलते थे आज बिना सहारे के.... हमारे विकास में लाइनों वाली कापी और हाथ पकड़ कर चलने की एक स्टेज के बाद जरूरत नहीं लगती मगर कभी ये बहुत जरूरी थे..... इनके महत्त्व को नकारा नहीं जा सकता...
इसी तरह मैं समझता हूँ कि हमारे अध्यात्मिक विकास में मूर्ती पूजा का भी एक महत्त्व है जिसे नज़रअंदाज़ नहीं किया जा सकता...
29 December 2011

Not only Hinduism, all major religions of the world have their symbols. The forms differ. The symbols are nothing but small tags which remind one of something. One sees photo
of a Crescent and star, a cross, a book, an idol etc etc and one is reminded of something based on one's beliefs and teachings.
Hinduism has a progressive approach to spiritualism. One progresses from one stage to another, from lower to higher. This idol worship is very important part of our religion but it is not the soul of Hinduism as many would have us believe. It is, like in those examples in my previous comment, aid at the very initial stage of one's spiritual life. One soon out grows it and needs these idols and symbols no more.
One saint once said, "on my first visit I saw temple and the idol, on second visit I saw idol and the lord and on my third visit I saw lord only." The temple was gone.... The idol was gone...
That's the system how it works. Those who say Hinduism is based on idol worship have seen the first visit only and made up their mind. They have not seen the second and third visits. They have not seen the evolution of spiritualism. It is like one visits the primary section of a school and then proclaims that the students of that school write with pencils on a four lined sheet of paper. He has not seen secondary class students using all types of pens and blank non-ruled sheets of paper. Though those senior students don't need pencils and ruled sheets, still they cant deny importance of these sheets in their evolution from primary class to middle and to higher classes. That's the role of idols in Hinduism.
29 December 2011

Wednesday, December 7, 2011

facebook discussion: Is it necessary to have education through English Medium school?

अंग्रेजी भाषा इतनी महत्वपूर्ण क्यों है? क्यों जरूरी लगता है अंग्रेजी भाषा का ज्ञान?
व्यापार के लिए? नहीं. व्यापार खुद ग्राहक की भाषा अपना लेता है.
तकनिकी व उच्च शिक्षा के लिए? नहीं. उच्च शिक्षा अगर अंग्रेजी के अलावा जापानी, चीनी, जर्मनी, फिन्निश, फ्रेंच, रूसी, इतालवी वगैरह वगैरह भाषाओँ में दी जा सकती है तो हिंदी, तमिल, बंगला, मलयालम आदि भाषाओं में भी दी जा सकती है.
अंतर्राष्ट्रीय बातचीत और मेलमिलाप के लिए? असलियत में यहाँ भी नहीं. अमरीका और इंग्लैंड के आलावा अन्य यूरोपीय व अमरीकन देश के लोगों को अंग्रेजी भी फारसी ही लगती है. फिर भी अगर मान लें कि यह अंतर्राष्ट्रीय स्तर पर जरूरी है तो कितनो के लिए.... क्या उस वजह से हर भारतीय को इसकी पढ़ाई जरूरी है?
ये व ऐसे ही अन्य कारण असली वजह नहीं हैं. असली वजह है कि अंग्रेजी आज भी भारतवर्ष की de-facto अकेली राजभाषा है. अंग्रेजी प्रशासन की मुख्य भाषा है. अंग्रेजी कानून की आधिकारिक भाषा है. आज भी राजपत्र (Gazette Notification) हिंदी और अंग्रेजी दोनों में छपते हैं पर वहां लिखा होता है की अनुवाद या interpretation में फर्क आने पर अंग्रेजी version को सही माना जाये.
दुर्भाग्य से सन १९४७ के बाद शासन व्यवस्था नहीं बदली. वही अंग्रेजों के जमाने के जेलर राज कर रहे हैं.
अंग्रेजी भाषा का महत्व आम लोगों की पसंद नहीं मजबूरी है.
यह व्यवस्था बदलनी चाहिए. हमारी मातृभाषा को सही सम्मान और गौरव मिलना चाहिए.
लेकिन जब तक यह व्यवस्था नहीं बदलती तो हमें इसे 'मास्टर' करना है. इंतज़ार में बैठ कर नहीं होगा... इस व्यवस्था से निबटने के लिए व प्रशासन व क़ानून में अपनी आवाज़ सुनाने के लिए आने वाली पीढ़ी को अंग्रेजी भाषा को भी अपनाना है तभी वे आज के समाज में अपनी जगह बना पायेंगे और अपनी मातृभाषा के अधिकारों के लिए पूरे जोर से लड़ पायेंगे. देश के जन-मानस का उद्धार मातृभाषा से ही होगा.
30 November 2011

आज का ही उदाहरण लें आप Microsoft के विज्ञापन हिंदी व अन्य भारतीय भाषाओं में छपे देख सकते हैं, McDonalds ने "McAloo Tikki" nikali hai, coca-cola aur pepsi ke ads bhi hindi va bhartiya bhashon mein aa rahe hain. Hindustan mein vyapar ke liye inhone hindi ko apnaya hai. japanese ya chinese products khareedne ke liye hame unki bhaasha nahin seekhni vo hamari bhaasha mein hamen samjhaenge.
East India Company ne bhi yahi kiya tha. Here is an extract from an article on East India Company:
"The establishment of the East India Company in 1600 led to increasing contacts between England and maritime Asia. From the start, the Company was aware of the multilingual nature of its enterprise and its hiring policy favoured those with linguistic skill and experience. The Company even planned and provided language training: young European boys were sent to "learn the language" at its trading posts throughout the East Indies, and Asian and African employees and slaves were trained in European languages at the trading posts. Thus the Company also had a vested interest in the publication of bilingual language manuals in England"
East India Company even started English scholarships on Asian languages during the seventeenth century.
English ka mahatva, unfortunately, anya kai vajah se hai vyapar kii vajah se nahin.
6 December 2011

Tuesday, December 6, 2011

facebook discussion: Creation of smaller states

The fears that creation of more states would lead to disintegration of the country seems to be unfounded. These states can not be compared with those princely states we had at the time of independence. At that time the question was of dominion.... with all those princely states having the right to accede to either the dominion of India or the dominion of Pakistan.
It is a different situation now. We are a Union, a Federal Republic having power distribution between Central and the State Governments.
Sardar Patel himself created this system and all those princely states were organised into various States accepting the sovereignty of India. So no one, including the Constitution of India and Indian citizen, is basically against 'States' within the Union.
The question is how many.
It depends on various factors including population, territorial, administrative, political and economical. We can discuss division of Uttar Pradesh on these issues but should not link it to disintegration equating it with princely states at the time of Independence.
And purely on the population front we can see that with 35 states and UTs for 120 crore people we have a government for every 3.5 crore of populaion on an average. However in case of UP it is one government for the whole of 17 crore people. Bahut nainsaafi hai ye...
Going by national average we can have 5 states in UP and a few more in other big states.
1 December 2011



I hope one is not advocating one country-one state theory. I mean we have to be clear whether we are against the concept of smaller manageable and viable States or against creation of states on regionalism or on the basis of specific groups.
These divisions on religious or linguistic basis are different issues not directly related to creation of a state. A Punjabi in Delhi, UP or even in Assam is still a Punjabi and on the other hand within Punjab itself we have other communities and regional divisions. Malwa, Majha and Doaba are very prominent sub-divisions of Punjab.
Smaller viable and manageable states are good for the people of that state as well as for the development of the country.
Maharashtra, once one of the most prosperous states, is also stagnating because of its size. With a population of 11 crore Maharashtra can also be divided into 2 or 3 manageable states.
1 December 2011


Jharkhand, rather the political mess in Jharkhand is very often cited as a bad example of smaller states. But in our enthusiasm to play down creation of new states we should not pick-up bad examples only. It would have been better if we had talked about Chhattisgarh and Uttarakhand too with comparatively stable governments.
Moreover we may recall that between Jan 1990 and Dec 2001 Gujarat state has had as many as 9 different CMs belonging to 4 different parties. Madhav Singh Solanki, Chimanbhai Patel, Chhabildas Mehta, Keshubhai Patel, Suresh Mehta, Shankersinh Vaghela, Dilipbhai Ramanbhai Parikh, again Keshubhai Patel and then Narendra Modi belonging to INC, JD(G), RJP and BJP. Is it any better than the example of Jharkhand being quoted time and again? And what after this? After this Gujarat has known only one CM. It is simply not a criteria to be considered while discussing the concept of midsize viable States as compared to large unmanageable States. These are political games which can be played anywhere.
Secondly Prabhat Khabar group of newspapers had last year published "Jharkhand Development Report 2010". In this 163 page report it had observed that 'Jharkhand has come a long way from its inception'.
The highlights of this report are:
>Its Per Capita income- From Rs 10345 (1999-2000) to Rs 21465 (2008-09). Per Capita income for Bihar was Rs 12643 in 2008-09.
>Gross State Domestic Product up from 4244922 Cr (2003-04) to 6925332.
>Poverty down from 44% to 33.15% (2004-05)
>Law and Order-Considerable improvement- Police strength up from 8930 in 2002 to 29198 in 2007 whereas the figure came down for Bihar from 48968 to 45670 during this period.
>Length of railway lines increased by 7.43% (2001-07) against 0.29% for India and reduction in Bihar.
>Number of pre-college institutions/school increased by 15% between 2002 and 2007.
>Number of Engineering, Technical and Arch Insts tripled and medical colleges doubled while it remained stagnant for Bihar.
>Foodgrain yield up from 1199 kg per hectare in 2001-02 to 1588 kg/hect in 2007-08.

Besides it there is tremendous improvement in health and infrastructural development in the state. The state has got its own High Court now. Ranchi is a buzzing city. Infact you talk to any person from Jharkhand and you will not find a single negative for mid-sized states.

Another report from Associated Chambers of Commerce and Industry of India (Assocham) had observed that 'Jharkhand and Orissa are growing at the fastest pace in terms of their per capita income'.
So I request all those opposed to the creation of viable states to look at the issue in entirety beyond any political or emotional considerations.
3 December 2011


We will find that bigger the state, more powerful the regional party and more its nuisance value. Secondly the focus should be on mid-sized, manageable and viable states, not merely 'smaller'. The relevance of very small states may also be reviewed if required.
As far as North-Eastern States are concerned, the size of these states is not the issue. Issue is bad politics and worst bureaucratic bungling.
And finally brother just think.असंतुलन कब है? जब हम कई 'mid-sized, manageable and viable states' बनाते हैं तब या जब हमारी तीन states 10-10 crore se jyada population wali hon aur 8 states 50-50 lakh se bhi kam. We are already imbalanced. Many a states are already unmanageable. We have to restore the balance.
5 December 2011

Thursday, December 1, 2011

facebook discussion: इंसान धर्म बदल सकता है, जाति क्यों नहीं?

बहुत साधारण से लगने वाले इस सवाल पर जवाब???

क्या हम सच में धर्म बदल सकते हैं?
इसका जवाब निर्भर करता है कि धर्म से हमारा क्या अभिप्राय है. हिंदू, मुस्लिम, सिख, ईसाई... इत्यादि? या हमारी पौराणिक शिक्षा के आधार पर 'नियत कर्म'?

मेरा मानना है कि हमारा व्यक्तिगत धर्म, हमारा नियत कर्म जैसे हमारा पुत्र धर्म, पित्र धर्म, राज धर्म, मित्र धर्म, पति धर्म, पत्नी धर्म, भक्त धर्मं, इंसान धर्म..... इत्यादि वही रहते हैं चाहे हम किसी भी समुदाय, भाषा, देश या मत (हिंदू, मुस्लिम, सिख, ईसाई, शैव, वैष्णव... इत्यादि) से सम्बन्ध रखते हों. हमारे धर्म निभाने के तरीके बदल सकते हैं उनमें कुछ कमी रह सकती है पर धर्म, शायद नहीं बदल सकता.
और जाती?
जाती क्या है और कहाँ तक है? गुर्जर भी मेरी जाती है, क्षत्रिय भी जाती है और इंसान भी मेरी जाती है. जाती का आधार क्या है? कर्म पर आधारित जाती कर्म बदलने पर बदल भी जाती है. एक पंडित परिवार में जन्मा बच्चा अगर फौज में भरती होता है और पूरी तरह से फौज के रीती, रिवाज़, चाल चलन, रहन सहन अपना लेता है तो क्या वह फिर भी पंडित रह जाता है...या क्षत्रिय बन जाता है? ये अपने आप में एक चर्चा का विषय है.
30 November 2011

Monday, October 24, 2011

facebook discussion: मूर्ति पूजा (IDOL WORSHIP) हम लोग परमात्मा की किसी विशेष मूर्ति के रूप में क्यों पूजा करते है?

Moorti, bells, conch, even temple etc are only aids and are very relevant at a particular stage and one has to out grow these symbols. Problem starts when we get stuck to these aids and symbols and refuse to rise above the same.
Swami Vivekanand once said, 'If a child doesn't go to temple, he should be condemned. But if an old man still goes to temple, he must be condemned too'. We have to evolve and understand when to leave these symbols.
20 October 2011


Why do we bow before an idol when we ourselves are the part of the almighty?...
Well as far as an idol is concerned it is relevant to certain extent. It is a stage in the spiritual journey. At a particular stage we outgrow such symbols and do not need them. But till that stage these idols are relevant. So if they are relevant then we bow just to show our respect, our belief.
Now, if we are part of God then why to bow?
We are part of God but in this form we are not god. We have to realize god through our deeds and thoughts. And till then we must strive to realize our aim and have full respect and full faith in God... in whatever form. And this bowing our head is only indicative of our respect for the almighty whose replica/symbol is this idol.
23 October 2011

Friday, October 21, 2011

facebook discussion: भय बिन होए न प्रीत

Fear is a base instinct. It manifests at the basic stage of anything. At basic stage of knowledge, growth, evolution etc. Fear is born out of ignorance and weakness only. And that can be overcome through knowledge and strengthening oneself. It vanishes as we gain awareness, strength etc.
In the initial stage may be love, affection or devotion is out of fear, as said by Goswami Tulsidas, but real love would survive only when there is no fear and only affection and understanding.
Based on this criteria, I agree with the view that "Bhagwan Ram ko koi bhay nahi tha". Yes he was concerned and cautious at times but there was no fear.
20 October 2011

Thursday, October 13, 2011

facebook discussion: माता सीता का दूसरा वनवास........


  • सदियों से बड़े बड़े ज्ञानियों व धर्म के मर्मज्ञों द्वारा भगवान श्री राम को मर्यादा पुरुषोत्तम माना गया है. तो हम कुछ हद तक ये मान कर चल सकते हैं की इस episode में भी भगवान राम ने धर्म की पूरी मर्यादा रक्खी होगी. मगर कैसे? ये समझने वाली बात ह...
    ै. क्योंकि जब तक हमें वह बात पूरी तरह से समझ नहीं आ जायेगी ये शंका मन में रहेगी ही और ये सवाल या लांछन भी लगते रहेंगे की एक पुरुष प्रधान समाज ने या एक 'कानों के कच्चे राजा ने’ अपने सिंहासन व आराम के लिए अपनी पतिव्रता पत्नी का त्याग कर दिया.
    अयोध्या वापिस आने के बाद मर्यादा पुरुषोत्तम श्री राम के पास क्या-क्या विकल्प थे?
    १. राजमहल में आने के बाद समाज के सवालों और शंकाओं को दर किनार कर राज भी रखते और माता सीता को भी साथ रखते, या
    २. माता सीता के प्रति अपना प्यार, श्रद्धा और जिम्मेवारी दिखाते हुए राज पाट को तज देते और माता सीता के साथ रहते, और या, जैसा कि उन्होंने किया
    ३. राज महल की जिम्मेवारियां निभाते और सीता माता को तज देते.

    विकल्प न.१ सबसे आसान और फायदे वाला होता मगर ये धर्म और समाज की सब मर्यादाओं का उलंघन होता. जैसा की बाद में प्रचलित भी हुआ, "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion" यानी राजा की पत्नी (या उसके सभी associates) भी गलत काम करने के शक के दायरे से बाहर होनी चाहिये. श्री राम राजा रहते और पूरी पवित्रता के बाबजूद उनकी रानी माता सीता पर कोई उंगली उठाता तो ये राज महल की गरिमा, sanctity, मर्यादा के खिलाफ होता. तो यह विकल्प तो मर्यादा पुरुषोत्तम राम बिलकुल विकल्प मानते ही नहीं और इसे एक अधार्मिक, असामाजिक कृत्य की तरह मानते. यानी ये साफ़ था कि राजमहल और माता सीता अब साथ नहीं रह सकते थे. या तो श्रीराम व माता सीता दोनों साथ राजपाट से दूर रहते या फिर राम जी राज संभालते और सीता मैय्या दूर रहतीं.

    तो फिर दूसरा विकल्प था अपने निजी और पति धर्म का पालन करते और सीता माता के प्रति अपना आभार और प्रेम प्रकट करते हुए श्री राम राजपाट को त्याग देते और सीता माता के साथ रहते. मर्यादा कि कसौटी पर यह भी एक पूरी तरह से धर्मसम्मत कार्य होता और श्री राम तब भी मर्यादा पुरुषोत्तम ही कहलाये जाते.
    और इसी तरह से तीसरा विकल्प भी पूरी तरह धर्मसम्मत था. यानी राजधर्म का पालन करते हुए राजा को किसी भी ऐसे व्यक्ति से सम्बन्ध नहीं रखना चाहिए जिस पर कोई भी, विपक्ष समेत, शक की उंगली उठा सके. एक बहुत लंबे समय सीता माता श्री राम के दुश्मन के कब्जे में रहीं तब, इस के बाबजूद कि खुद दुश्मनों ने माता सीता की पवित्रता के गुण गाये, समाज के लिए एक शंका का विषय था.

    श्रीराम के पास चुनने के लिए राजमहल और अपना निजी परिवार का विकल्प नहीं था, श्रीराम के सामने सवाल था अपनी निजी जिंदगी और १४ वर्षों तक उनके साथ रही उनकी पत्नी के प्रति उनके कर्तव्यों व जिम्मेवारी का तथा १४ साल तक उनके इन्तेज़ार में उम्मीदों के साथ उनका स्वागत करने वाली उनकी प्रजा के प्रति उनके कर्तव्यों व जिम्मेवारियों का. सवाल राजमहल के आराम का नहीं था सवाल राजमहल की power का नहीं था, सवाल था सिर्फ जिम्मेवारियों व कर्तव्यों का.
    चयन करना था सिर्फ माता सीता और पूरे देश की जनता के प्रति उनकी जिम्मेवारियों के बीच.

    और यहाँ पूरी जनता के सामने श्रीराम ने अपनी प्राणों से प्यारी माता सीता का त्याग करने का निर्णय लिया और एक उच्च कोटी का बलिदान दिया क्योंकि उनकी नज़र में १४ साल तक उनका इन्तेज़ार करने वाली जनता का प्यार, उम्मीदें, भावनाएं व कल्याण सर्वोपरि था. माता सीता को अलग कर माता सीता को जितना दुःख हुआ उस से कम दुःख भगवान राम को भी नहीं था मगर भारी मन से उन्होंने ये निर्णय लिया.
    मर्यादा पुरुषोत्तम भगवान श्रीराम सच में एक आदर्श पुरुष थे.

Saturday, October 8, 2011

fb discussion: भरत और लक्ष्मण मे कौन महान भाई था और क्यों ?

भाई का सवाल सच में बड़ा गूढ़ है. लक्ष्मण या भरत? चुनाव कठिन है. भगवान राम जब वन को चले तो भरत वहाँ मौजूद नहीं थे. लक्ष्मण जी थे और उन्होंने मौके पर बहुत बड़ा त्याग का उदाहरण देते हुए राजमहल को छोड़ श्री राम के साथ वन जाने का निर्णय लिया. मौके पर एक निर्णय लिया और पूरे १४ साल उसका पालन किया.
भरत ने अपनी वापसी पर श्री राम को वापिस लाने का निर्णय किया. श्री राम नहीं आये. भरत वापिस आये मगर उन्होंने राजपाट त्याग दिया.
भरत या लक्ष्मण दोनों ने त्याग किया. किसका त्याग बड़ा, या कहें मुश्किल था?

लक्ष्मण ने श्री राम का साथ पाने के लिए राजमहल का त्याग किया.
भरत ने श्री राम का साथ न पाने के साथ साथ राजपाट का भी त्याग किया.

लक्ष्मण अगर श्री राम का साथ न चुन कर राजमहल चुनते तो शायद जग में बुराई भी मिलती.
भरत यदि श्री राम के उपस्थित न होने पर राजपाट ग्रहण कर लेते तो भी राज्य के हित के नाम पर कोई उन्हें गलत नहीं कहता. मगर फिर भी उन्होंने राजपाट नहीं अपनाया.

इन हालातों के मद्दे नजर मैं मानता हूँ कि भरत का त्याग बड़ा था और दोनों भाइयों के बीच कोई प्रतियोगिता न होते हुए भी कहा जा सकता है कि भरत महान था.
7 October 2011

लक्ष्मण जी के पास एक बार निर्णय लेकर बदलने का option नहीं था पर भरत के पास तो हर सुबह एक नया मौका होता था राष्ट्रहित का सन्दर्भ दे कर राजपाट ग्रहण करने का मगर उन्होंने नहीं किया.
7 October 2011

Sunday, September 18, 2011

fbd: Is Rajniti A Solution For All Problems?


 Rajniti is merely a 'System' for governance. And without any system there would only be anarchy ie simple absence of recognized government or political authority. A good political system is very important for governance in any country. 

As far as solutions to problems are concerned, it is a very open field. There could not be one solution to all problems. Why only Dowry and Andhvishwas, seemingly politics is no solution for all medical problems too like diarrhea and constipation. 

But still good governance can definitely help in solving all the problems be it social, medical or even personal.
A good governance system can promote awareness against social malpractices and can help the society by providing infrastructure, financial and moral support to fight such social problems.
Good governance can help in solving medical problems by instituting a system which produces medical officers and also medicines which will relieve one of his medical problems...

Thus Ratanjeet bhai, I believe though Rajniti IS NOT a solution of all problems but it sure can FIND solutions to all problems that afflict a nation or its citizen.

राजनीति खुद एक सिद्धांत है और ये दूसरे सिद्धांतों से वैर नहीं रखती. पर हाँ इसके पालन में कई बार कमियां रह जाती हैं जिससे कुछ परेशानियां होती हैं पर वो execution की गलती है न कि principle की.
जहाँ तक राजनीति के कारण होने वाले समझोतों व अन्य समस्याओं की बात है तो भाई मेरा मानना है कि समस्या शुद्ध राजनीती से नहीं है. राजनीति अपने आप में कोई समस्या नहीं खड़ी करती. समस्याएँ पैदा होती हैं या तो जब हम भ्रष्ट राजनीती कर रहे है और राजनीती के सिद्धांतों से भटक गए हैं या जब हम हर चीज़ में राजनीति करने लगते हैं. अगर प्रशासन में राजनीती, यानी alliances, preferences aur opposition etc, मिला दें तो गलत ही होगा. खेल में राजनीति ले आयें तो गलत होगा और समझौते होंगे और सेवा भाव कम होगा. इसी तरह तरक्की, सेहत सभी पर राजनीती मिलाने से गलत असर होगा.
कमी राजनीति में नहीं बल्कि इसकी समझ, इसके पालन और गलत उपयोग में है. सही इस्तेमाल करें तो राजनीती हर चीज़ का हल निकाल सकती है.

As far as 'hypothesis' thing is concerned, hypothesis is more of an explanation for what is happening whereas Politics provides an outline as to how it is to be done. It is based on certain very well defined principles and norms.

Saturday, September 10, 2011

fbd: Dahej Ki Raajniti

A 'caste less society' is as vague a concept as, to say, water less ocean.... The Ocean itself is water...................................

Campaign against dowry. But frankly speaking I have still been pondering over 'Dowry', 'Reasonable Gifts', 'Girls Share in Property', etc etc....

Mere criticism will not get us anywhere, CRITICAL ANALYSIS is required to improve.

It was very easy for you to say you are "not so proud of those men who elder to me and my ancestors", but it will take some effort to understand their ideas and concepts about everything we consider as farce today.

It is better first we understand the mechanics of Dowry, Gifts and Property then comment on motives of others.....................

One seems to have taken a pledge that "i will never take dowry and i will also try to stop ppl frm my family and relations to also not do the same". Fine... But what about marriage of your daughter or sister? Can you take a similar pledge here? Say something like, "I take a pledge that i will never give dowry, gift or share of property to my daughter or sister in her marriage".
And this question is open to all who say NO TO DOWRY, if you decide to give any of the three ie dowry, gift, share of property to your sister or daughter in marriage, then please elaborate what would be the norm?
9 September 2011

Whether one will give the share of property or not? Whether one will give anything in marriage or not?
At one place I see one advocating a secret gift in marriage. Why? Why this hypocracy? Say 'yes' to gifts or 'no'. Why 'yes' in public but 'no' secretly? What if your daughter-in-law brings that secret gift in her marriage? Would you accept that?
As I see from one's post one is not averse to the concept of giving something in marriage. What one is against is that show-off and may be that gift or dowry under compulsion beyond one's capability. If yes then say so. It is the problem with our society on this issue. We are not clear what we want to oppose. And when we lack conviction we fail to make others see reason in our arguments. It is just like drinking a 'glass of milk' or taking a 'tank full of milk', pouring some in mouth, splurging and spreading it all over the floor, staining your clothes, making the room messy and all that. What is bad? Drinking milk or splurging? You shout from roof tops against drinking but will not get support because people fail to see logic why you want them to stop drinking milk. You fight against splurging and you'll be overwhelmed by the support you'll get. Fight against show-off, unreasonable gifts/expenditure etc and not against the concept of gift itself. Excess of everything is bad but to save ourselves of the excess we need not discard the whole thing itself. Just stop the excess. Difficult? Well who said social reforms are children's play? It takes a life time to hammer in just one simple concept.

One feels emptiness after quitting caste thing because without getting strength from one's own roots one couldn't make strong relations and connections with people. Today I have friends from all walks of life, belonging to all major religions and almost all parts of the country including North-East and some foreigners too. They know me as Raj Basatta. And no their is no conflict. Why do I have to chose between my caste and my friends. We all happily co-exist.

Not everything oriental is bad. Just see the concept and logic behind it and then take your pick.
9 September 2011

The very Indians one mentioned are the Indians cut-off from their roots, mis-fits in alien cultures whom we want to bring in mainstream. Pizza and Burger are symbolic... not of eating habits but of following the cultures. One is labelled a 'Pizza-Burger' when he identifies more with the western culture than with Indian.............

I had asked about modalities as to how should we go about giving girls their share in property. The query still remains unanswered. Further points about Gifts, secret gifts etc also remain unanswered.

As for the treatment of women in India vis-a-vis Western Countries, the fact remains that America has the highest per capita figure for women related crimes including 'Domestic voilence', 'Rape' and 'murders'. But partner that's not the issue. That is a diversion from real issue which should be avoided on this post and can be discussed separately.

It would be better that we thrash out one topic first before starting other. My previous comment was based entirely on comments earlier on this post. But the specific points still remain unanswered. Repeating EVIL or GOD a thousand times doesn't change the reality. For a meaningful dialogue we have to be realistic enough to analyse properly and graceful enough to accept the facts without any prejudices.
9 September 2011

We are one when matter of reform comes. We should remove all curbs being imposed by society/community and should work for betterment of the community. The youth needs to be guided, supported, encouraged and promoted... both our daughters and our sons.
9 September 2011

Sunday, August 28, 2011

facebook discussion: Facebook 'friends'.

We generally misinterpret many relationships to be friendships when they should actually be classified as acquaintances or may be relatives. I think the problem is with limitation of options in fb. These 5,6,7 odd hundreds have been categorized as 'friends' by facebook otherwise they all are not 'friends' in the true sense of the word.
Most of them are:
acquaintances, associates, classmates, colleagues, companions, compatriots, just familiar, partners, playmates, roommates, schoolmates, well-wishers, friends of friends, neighbors, sympathizers, ally, or merely fellow countryman who are not 'enemy' and with whom we share something, may be just even a thought.
There could be various reasons why we have or do not have someone on the list. Otherwise someone has said 'two is a company, three is a crowd'.
27 August 2011

Thursday, August 18, 2011

facebook discussion: भाग्य, तक़दीर, लक का हमारी सफलता और असफलता मे क्या रोल होता है?

अधिष्ठानं तथा कर्ता करणं च प्रथग्विद्हम l
विविधाश्च पृथक चेष्टा दैवंचैवात्र पंचमं ll"

Srimad Bhagwat Gita, Ch 18:14

One of my favorite shlokas from the 'song celestial'.
As per this shloka there are five factors determining success of any project or person. These are:
1. Adhishthanam or Infrastructure
2. Karta or The Individual, The Agent
3. Karana or the Means, the Equipment
4. Chesta or the Efforts
5. Daiva or God's Grace or Fate

Thus, as I see it, and as I have understood from Srimad Bhagwat Gita, भाग्य, तकदीर, लक्, किस्मत, fate... whatever we name it, is only ONE of the FIVE factors. Sometimes, rather most of the times, other four are not perfect and we blame or credit 'fate' for the success or failure. We must perfect the means, equip ourselves best and exert ourselves to the most- then success is bound to come.

My Idol Swami Vivekanand once said, 'Let us perfect the means; the end will take care of itself.'
12 August 2011


Vidhna let's try to understand the ‘mechanics’ of vidhna as brought out in following story in brief :

“In a village two boys were born at the same time in two different families. One grew to be the most obedient and hardworking always lending a helping hand to others while other became the most crooked bully hitting others and snatching their belongings. Once there was flood and all villagers had to move to a different village. En-route the pious young man slipped and fell on a wild bush and a very long thick thorn pierced through his foot. He could not take out the thorn and was injured badly. He was in severe pain and could not move properly.

The other guy, the bad one, also slipped and fell in a small ditch. As he was trying to get out of that ditch he unearthed a box full of coins and jewels. He took it all and was happy. Perplexed by the events the villagers took both the boys to a learned man and asked him to solve the mystry as they could see themselves that the righteous man had suffered discomfort while that devil got rewarded with that box full of khazana.

The sage then told them that the man who got pierced by the thorn would have got hanged on sooli in his youth as per his vidhna. But his conduct and karma over these years since his birth have reduced that punishment of sooli to ‘shool’ ie thorn. And as per his vidhna this other boy would have grown to be the king of this kingdom with all the jewels and treausury at his disposal but his bad deeds of this life since his birth have reduced it to just a box full of discarded jewels…….”

Yes it is not difficult to discard it as a piece of fiction but then we have to understand that even kismet is not something abstract. It is very systematic thing. That we can’t always understand it is a different issue.
Vidhna after all is not an illogical, arbitrary, dictators.... kah diya bas... type.... it has to follow some principles.

16 August 2011


As highlighted in the story above, Kismat is written by us only through our deeds and intentions. It is very much according to our 'बल बूता'. Vidhaata has only reduced it in writing with a provision of regular updates based on our actions during this period.
Your subsequent reiteration is totally uncalled for. In the story above we just saw that the person destined to be the 'king' ended up with only a 'box of jewels' just because of his deeds in this life. Though, as I said earlier also it can be easily dismissed as a piece of fiction, still it explains the concept in a manner I have not seen elsewhere. It tries to explain the mechanism of kismat instead of imposing an abstract thought. One can never quantify how much of an effort and how much other four factors including infrastructure, means and 'kismat' have worked in an individual's success.
17 August 2011


इस कहानी में दो extremes हैं. बहुत ही अच्छे भाग्य से बुरा भाग्य बदलना और बहुत ही बुरे भाग्य से अच्छा भाग्य बदलना.

इन दोनों में से मैं किस ओर हूँ मुझे नहीं पता. लेकिन ये है कि पिछले ४५ सालों में मैंने जो कुछ किया है उस से मैं आज जो हूँ वो जरूर प्रभावित हुआ है..........

मैं आज कहाँ हूँ ये मुझे पता है. लेकिन ये मेरे जन्म के समय की मेरी 'विधना' द्वारा लिखी गयी नियति से कम है या ज्यादा इसका तो हम सिर्फ अंदाजा ही लगा सकते हैं.
17 August 2011

Wednesday, August 17, 2011

facebook discussion: Is Anshan another way of blackmailing?

If this is accepted as a means to get your bidding, then wouldn’t some one come tomorrow saying ‘throw away democracy bring in martial law’, or say ‘remove Hindi from India and introduce Swahili’… etc etc… If something like it happens and someone sits on an Anshan demanding anything like this or even more weird then what do we do?
Then the issue would be:
Is that demand ‘Constitutional’?
Is the method ‘Constitutional’?
Is that in National interest?
Is that the last resort? 

And if the answer to any of these queries is ‘No’ then we can take all legal police and political action against that anshan. But if the answer to these questions is in the affirmative then you, me or anyone else has no ‘Constitutional’ right to oppose that anshan. It is as simple as that.

And believe me this type of a 'Constitutional' act would only strengthen the democracy by strengthening its Institutions.

As far as blackmailing is concerned, the motive is important.
‘A’ asks ‘B’ to leave his bag aside otherwise he will shoot at 'B' with his gun.
What would you call it?
Reconsider your response in light of further inputs viz:
(1) ‘A’ is a roadside mugger and ‘B’ is someone who has just got out of the Bank after withdrawing his own legitimate money.
(2) ‘A’ is a Gate-keeper and ‘B’ is a thief coming out of the Bank after looting the bank.

We have to look at it with this perspective.
To me,
(1) Yes Anna’s demand to have an ‘effective’ Lokpal is ‘Constitutional’.
(2) Yes his method of going on anshan is ‘Constitutional’.
(3) Yes this move is in National Interest, and
(4) Well here I would say NO this is not yet ‘the’ last resort. It is still only intermediate stage. The last resort would be too risky and too painful.
15 August 2011


It is a matter of personal experiences. With an experience of 74 years behind him and with a history of his efforts, Anna has felt the need of this agitation. Like millions other in India he feels that this 'system' is breeding corruption and there is no check. The ones indulged in corruption are the ones expected to check it. At least I don't doubt his credentials.
15 August 2011


Anna is not making a 'kanoon'. He is proposing a draft which can be made a 'kanoon' if approved by law. And not only Anna every Indian has a right to 'propose'. For more than four decades the need has been felt but the proper 'kanoon' was neither drafted nor passed.
So I request to correct the impression that Anna is trying to pass a bill by by-passing the Parliament.
15 August 2011

"We can make a suggestion but can not force the parliament to do so". Fine let the Parliament turn down the suggestion. But you are not allowing us to put up a suggestion before the parliament.
Further there are n number of instances when suggestions have been invited from the public through press on particular bills. Govt had published an advfacebook discussion: 
ertisement in the English Daily "The Hindu" dated 24.06.2010, inviting written comments/suggestions either in English or in Hindi on the 'Civil Liabilities for Nuclear Damage Bill 2010'. In the terms of the notification those, who are willing to appear before the committee for oral evidence, besides submitting the memoranda were also asked to indicate so. It is a well known procedure. And very very constitutional at that.
The question of encroaching upon the judiciary to deliver the judgement by making such suggestions as that of Anna Hazare, just does not arise.
15 August 2011

Someone has suggested that "anna hazare ji is not only proposing the lokpal bill now they are trying to force the government to implement as they want ....."
First thing the fight is for a draft first its implementation will
come much later. Let there be the draft first.
Secondly if any draft is accepted then it has to be implemented through due process of law making. It is no use making a draft and then not putting it through the process.
16 August 2011

Secondly someone has said that people do not know about Lokpal Bill but they are supporting Anna on it.
May be an ordinary citizen of India really does not understand what this bill is all about. But when they see people like "Justice D S Tewatia, Kiran Bedi, Mallika Sarabhai, Swami Agnivesh, Sri Sri Ravishankar, Arcbishop Vincent M Concessao, B R Lalla" etc etc supporting some issue, it gives them confidence that it might be something good. This confidence, this belief is sufficient for them to lend their support.
16 August 2011

Agar ye sab bhi corruption mein lipt hain to ye aur bhi badi wajah hai ki hamen ek aisa system devise karna chahiye jo aise corruption ko failne se roke. Hamen ye kah kar inke suggestion ko ignore nahin karna chahiye ki kyonki aap bhi corrupt the to ab corruption ko rokne ki koi koshish aap ko nahin karne denge.
16 August 2011

Yes it is very difficult to eradicate corruption. Baba Ramdev's, Anna's are a few small attempts it will take much more than this. There is very stiff opposition from those who are enjoying the benefits of corruption. We all have to come forward and do our bit.
16 August 2011

Agar wo sab corrupt hain Ramdev 'fully corrupt' hai to kya majboori hai sarkar kii ki unhe giraftaar nahin kar rahi? itni badi personalities par unsubstantiated allegations laga kar ham sirg bhrashtachaariyon ke haath hi majboot karte hain.
16 August 2011

Hame ek logical approach lekar chalna hai. kisi bhi muhim ke liye ek leader kii jaroorat hoti hai. Anna ya Ramdev se jyada suitable ya willing leader agar koi aata hai to sab unhe bhi support karenge. koi aaye to.
16 August 2011
Main manta hun ki wo bhi corrupt rahe hon. lekin agar aap specifically mera jawab chaahte hain to jab tak koi baat unke khilaaf saabit nahin ho rahi mein bilkul nahin kah sakta ki wo corrupt hain. Ek vyakti ki puri reputation ko main sirf shak ke binah par hi khatam nahin kar sakta.
16 August 2011

Secondly someone asked "kya aap poore vishvaas kai sath kah sakte hai", to bhai poore vishwaas se to main kisi ko bhi, even Raja aur Kalmaadi ko bhi nahin kah raha fir jinke khilaaf koi mukadma nahin hai aap wahan mere poore vishwas ko kyon question kar rahe hain?
16 August 2011

Tuesday, August 2, 2011

facebook discussion: अन्ना जी क्या कर रहे है

"-मेरे प्यारे दोस्तों आप सभी को पता है अन्ना जी क्या कर रहे है?
-क्या आपको लगता है जो अन्ना जी कर रहे है वो सही है?

-और इसको करने का यही सही तरीका है?

-क्या अन्ना जी भारत की संवेधानिक व्यवस्था को धमका नहीं रहे?

-या हमारे देश की जनता सही candidates को नहीं चुनती है?

-इसलिए अब अन्ना जी सीधे संसद को घेरने की तयारी में है?

-क्या अन्ना वास्तव में ११० करोड़ लोगो का प्रतिनिधित्व करते है?"



आइये सवालों को एक एक कर लेते हैं.

Q1: “मेरे प्यारे दोस्तों आप सभी को पता है अन्ना जी क्या कर रहे है?”
A: सवाल थोडा मुशकिल है मगर फिर भी ये कहा जा सकता है कि वो देश के उज्जवल भविष्य का सपना देख रहे हैं.

Q2: “क्या आपको लगता है जो अन्ना जी कर रहे है वो सही है?”
A: Justice D S Tewatia, Kiran Bedi, Mallika Sarabhai, Swami Agnivesh, Sri Sri Ravishankar, Arcbishop Vincent M Concessao, B R Lalla इत्यादि की मैं कदर करता हूँ और उन्ही की तरह मुझे भी यही लगता है कि अन्ना हजारे शायद सही कर रहे हैं और इससे भ्रष्टाचारी मुश्किल में पड़ जायेंगे.
वैसे Sharad Pawar, Kapil Sibbal, P Chidambaram, Digvijay Singh इत्यादि सोचते हैं कि अन्ना हजारे गलत कर रहे हैं क्योंकि वो ‘जानते हैं’ कि इससे भ्रष्टाचारी मुश्किल में पड़ जायेंगे.

Q3: “और इसको करने का यही सही तरीका है?”
A: यह भी एक तरीका है. सही और गलत सिर्फ comparative है. और बहुत से तरीके हैं और उन पर भी कोशिशें जारी हैं. मगर भाई ये बात इतनी आसान नहीं है कि कोई एक तरीका अपनाएँ और मिनटों में भ्रष्टाचार से छुटकारा पाएं. ये एक छोटा सा कदम है.

Q4: “क्या अन्ना जी भारत की संवेधानिक व्यवस्था को धमका नहीं रहे?”
A: थोडा कानूनी पक्ष “the opening word of the Constitution of India is ‘WE THE PEOPLE’ it means the constitution is framed by the people”.
और आप पूछ रहे हैं कि क्या people, यानी अन्ना जी इत्यादि भारत की संवेधानिक व्यवस्था को धमका नहीं रहे. अगर आप असली मायने में देखें तो क़ानून के जानकारों के साथ मिलकर अन्ना जी द्वारा उठाया गया ये कदम भारत की संवेधानिक व्यवस्था को और मजबूती प्रदान करेगा.

Q5: “या हमारे देश की जनता सही candidates को नहीं चुनती है?”
A: अफ़सोस भारत कि electorate अभी उतनी परिपक्व नहीं है. अभी भी वह भावनाओं में बह जाती है. और बाकी चारों ओर वही ‘व्यवस्था’ है जिसके खिलाफ आज समाज के बुद्धिजीवी वर्ग को उठ कर सामने आना पड़ रहा है. फिलहाल गलती दोनों ओर से ही हो रही है. चुनने वालों से भी और चुने जाने वालों से भी.

Q6: “इसलिए अब अन्ना जी सीधे संसद को घेरने की तयारी में है?”
A: संसद को घेरने का idea आपको पता नहीं कैसे आया. लेकिन अगर आपका ये कथन ‘symbolic’ है तो मैं यही कहूँगा कि अन्ना जी अकेले तो शायद संसद को न घेर पायें. लेकिन अगर ऐसी सोच रखने वाले, कानून की ऐसी समझ रखने वाले और देशभक्ति का ऐसा माद्दा रखने वाले अन्य लोग साथ हैं तो अन्ना जी जरूर संसद के दरवाजे पर दस्तक तो दे ही देंगे.

Q7: “क्या अन्ना वास्तव में ११० करोड़ लोगो का प्रतिनिधित्व करते है?”
A: भाई आपके ७ सवालों में ये अकेला सवाल है जिसका में तात्पर्य नहीं समझ पाया. फिर भी क्योंकि आपने आंकड़े रखे हैं तो मैं कुछ और आंकड़े जोड़ दूँ... ECI की रिपोर्ट के अनुसार २००९ के जनरल इलेक्शन में कांग्रेस को कुल 119111019 यानी कुल १२ करोड से कम वोट मिलीं. और आप कोई सवाल नहीं उठा रहे. अन्ना से पूछ रहे हैं कि क्या आप ११० करोड लोगों का प्रतिनिधित्व करते हैं. क्या कोई कर सकता है ११० करोड लोगों का प्रतिनिधित्व? क्या ये जरूरी है? अगर इससे कम हो तो क्या वो भ्रश्टाचार के खिलाफ आवाज नहीं उठा सकता?
1 August 2011

Monday, August 1, 2011

facebook discussion: क्या बच्चों को शिक्षित करने के लिए हमें उन पर डंडे का प्रयोग करना चाहिए..??

There are two extremes here. Not saying anything at all or saying it with a danda. To control and guide the child a certain level of firmness is required along with love and affection. A pat and a spat is fine... but 'danda'... baap re baap...
30 July 2011


मैं सोचता हूँ कि मार की शायद तब जरूरत पड़ती है जब हम प्यार से कण्ट्रोल नहीं कर पा रहे. लेकिन किस वज़ह से नहीं कर पा रहे? हमें सोचना व देखना होगा. कहीं हमारी खुद की कमी या गलत तरीके कि वज़ह से तो नहीं? और कहीं अब उन कमियों को छिपाने के लिए तो हम डंडा प्रयोग नहीं कर रहे?
30 July 2011

Friday, July 29, 2011

fbd: Is God biased in the terms of distributing his blessings?

Is God biased in the terms of distributing his blessings?? Why not every one is equal? Why many r poor and some r rich? Why many r patients and some r healthy?


Is HE biased really? Can HE be? Has HE one good reason to be biased? Probably HE is NOT biased. HE is not impartial. HE is not inconsiderate. And thus this unequal distribution of HIS blessings is what gives credence to the theory of karma and the cycle of rebirths. We reap as we sow.
28 July 2011

Saturday, July 23, 2011

facebook discussion: बाली-वध--- क्या भगवानजी का यह कार्य धर्म-विरुद्ध था?


सवाल सिंपल है पर जवाब उतना सिंपल नहीं है.

ये सवाल सदियों पहले खुद बाली ने भी श्री राम से किया था. राम चंद्र जी ने बाली को समझाया. संभवतः बाली समझ गया तभी उसने अपने बेटे अंगद को भी श्री राम जी कि शरण में भेज दिया.
श्री राम और बाली की बातों को अगर संक्षिप्त में कहें तो श्री राम ने बाली को लड़ाई में हरा कर नहीं मारा था बल्कि उसकी गलतियों के लिए सजा दी थी. श्री राम बाली से लड़े नहीं क्योंकि बाली उस वक्त श्री राम का दुश्मन नहीं था और न ही वो एक legitimate राजा था जिस से श्री राम लड़ते. श्री राम मानते थे कि बाली ने जो गलतियाँ कीं थी उसके लिए वो सजाए मौत का हक़दार था. श्री राम को अपने मित्र सुग्रीव की मदद करनी थी और बाली को उसके किये कि सजा देनी थी. तरीका यह अपनाना पडा क्योंकि बाली श्रीराम के सामने आ नहीं रहा था और उससे संधि हो नहीं सकती थी क्योंकि बाली श्रीराम के मित्र का शत्रु था.
22 July 2011

Friday, July 22, 2011

facebook discussion: गीता में श्री कृष्ण ने स्वयं को व्यक्त करने के लिए मांसाहारी जीवों को ही क्यों चुना?



"गीता में श्री कृष्ण जी ने सभी प्रधान चीज़ों को स्वयं का प्रतिरूप बताया है. पेड़ों में ख़ुद को पीपल बताया है. जब पशु-पक्षियों की बात आई तो उन्होंने स्वयं को सिंह, मगरमच्छ और गरूड़ बताया है। ये सभी मांसाहारी हैं। श्री कृष्ण जी ने स्वयं को व्यक्त करने के लिए श्रेष्ठ पशु-पक्षियों के नाम पर मांसाहारी जीवों को ही क्यों चुना.. ??"

बहुत सादा पर एक गूढ़ सवाल. मैं समझता हूँ उसमे माँसाहारी या शाकाहारी मुद्दा नहीं है. मुद्दा है कुल मिलाकर
सर्वश्रेष्ठ उदाहरण का. भूमि पर विचरण करने वाले पशु-पक्षियों में शेर को सर्वश्रेष्ठ माना जाता है... मांसाहार उसकी भगवान की दी हुई प्रकृति है.... अपनी प्रकृति को निभा कर वो अपने धर्म का पालन कर रहा है.. अगर वो मांस नहीं खाएगा तो मर जाएगा. उसी प्रकार मगरमच्छ और गरुड़ कि तुलना की गयी है जल व नभ के अन्य जीवों से. इनमे से कोई भी प्रवृत्ति के तौर पर कत्ले-आम नहीं करता. मांस खाना इनका धर्म है और अपने धर्म का पालन करने वाला हर प्राणी श्रेष्ठ है.... ये तीनों अन्य गुणों को लेकर तुलना के लिए श्रेष्ठतर माने गए हैं... अपने धर्म के पालन के लिए तो कृष्ण ने अर्जुन को मानव-वध के लिए तैयार कर दिया फिर शेर तो बेचारा पेट भरने के लिए हिरन का शिकार करता है....
18 July 2011

I fully agree with contention that in early days even Hindus were non-veg. My understanding is that Hindu society had been very liberal in the past and eating meat was no taboo. Veg or non-veg food had nothing to do with one’s religion. It only defined one’s degree of spiritualism. For kshatriyas it was ‘the’ lifestyle untill an individual shunned meat due to his personal prefences or spiritual advancement.

But here I want to highlight a few things about Ram-Sita-Mrig episode. As per Maharishi Valmiki’s version, and that is the original one, Sita spots this Golden Deer first and then calls the brothers. On seeing the deer Lakshman warns them that it doesn’t look like a natural creature and that he suspects it to be ‘Maarichi’. But getting attracted, Sita asks Shri Ram to ‘capture’ the dear and bring it to their cottage as a ‘plaything’. She says they have many dears and bucks but none like this one. Sita further tells them that when they return to their kingdom after vanwas, this deer will be a masterpiece in palace chambers. So far she is just requesting Shri Ram to capture the Mrig alive. Not to hunt it and kill it for its meat, she is asking him to capture the deer so that she can keep it and play with it.

Later on, probably on suspecting it to be ‘Maarichi’ as warned by Lakshman, she says that if for any reason this deer is not captured and gets killed, then she would like to use its skin for her aasan.

Thus I feel though it is very likely that Hindus did eat meat during Ramayan and Mahabharat’s time yet it is slightly out of context to quote Ram-Sita-Maarichi episode as a point in support of eating meat during that period.
20 July 2011


It is right that Sitaji the epitome of womenhood in India fell to the lure of beautiful body of deer. And this dichotomy is very beautifully highlighted by Maharshi Valmiki himself and that too through Sitaji’s
own words. Verse 21 of Aranya Kand reads:

कामवृत्तम् इदम् रौद्रम् स्त्रीणाम् असदृशम् मतम् |
वपुषा तु अस्य सत्त्वस्य विस्मयो जनितो मम || ३-४३-२१

Translation of this Verse goes like:

"Tradition says that this sort of unruly self-seeking is unbefitting of women, yet that deer's beautiful body is inducing curiosity in me." Sita said so to Rama and remained waiting for his reply.

Call them God or superhumans yet there are a number of episodes in the beautiful poetic work ‘Ramayan’ which shows Ram, Sita and Lakshman were as human as others. They had all the feelings of love, passion, anger and grief etc... Only their response to those feelings was different. And you will agree that response to a feeling, to a particular situation is what separates Gods from Human beings.

In light of above, with due respect, I feel you are being a little too harsh in selection of your words for Sitaji in your last comment.
21 July 2011

Monday, July 18, 2011

facebook discussion: MAHABHARAT ME VIJAY KISKI HUYI THI 'SATYA' KI YA 'SHAKTI' KI?

ek achchha sawal."jeet kiski hui... satya ki ya shakti ki?'..... 
jab mein sochne laga to mein satya ko shakti se alag nahin kar paya. Mera maana hai ki sachchai ki takat shuru mein chahe kam bhi lage dheere dheere badhti jaati hai. Jaise jaise ladne wali takten aage badhti hain support ka polarization shuru ho jata hai aur sach ko support badhti jaati hai. Physical takat shuru mein kauravon ki jyada thi magar pandvon ki Shakti unki soojh boojh aur unke justified ‘stand’ ki vajah se badhti gayi aur ant mein jeet pandvon ki hui.

Sawal aaya hai ki kya pandvon ne jhooth aur chhal kapat ka sahara nahin liya? Here we have to analyze it very carefully. A very thin line separates ‘chhal’ in positive and negative sense. Deception and surprise are two very powerful weapons in war. War is not won on power/Shakti alone, there is a lot more to it. Had it been pure mathematics of Shakti then there would have been no war and an outcome would have been decided on the power of two warring forces. The one with extra troops would have been declared a winner on headcount alone without actual war. In actual war a physically weaker side can also win by a proper analysis of his own strengths and weaknesses and that of his opponent’s. One has to neutralise opponent’s strengths and exploit his weakness. It is all fare.

Now let’s see what are the strengths of two forces……. Bhishm, Drona, Karna, Duryodhan etc etc all had special powers ranging from invincibility ‘ichchha mrityu’ to special weapons ‘brahmaastra’ etc etc. What are the options with Pandavs. Bhishm Pitamah is attacking Pandav troops from behind the wall of ‘ichchha mrityu’ where he can chose the manner and time of his death. Surrender before the power of ‘ichchha mrityu’ and face certain decimation or to neutralise his advantage? Neutralise.. but how? How to neutralise special powers and knowledge and weapons of Guru Drona? How to neutralise the ‘vajra’ body of Duryodhan, the special ‘kavach’ of Karna etc?

I feel all the actions of Pandavs should be adjudged in the light of their respective advantages and disadvantage then only shall we be in a position to comment on their actions.

Incidentally a couple of years ago Mr. Gurcharan Das raised similar questions in his much acclaimed book ‘The Difficulty of Being Good’ where he commented on the incidents of Mahabharat. I did not agree with his interpretation of the great Epic and gave my views in my blog at http://rkbasatta.blogspot.com/2010/09/difficulty-of-being-good-is-it-really.html

I sincerely feel I am too little qualified to actually get the full import of the incidents of Mahabharat, but I can say with certainty that my little understanding of these incidents has helped me in taking decisions at some very crucial periods in my life.
25 May 2011


"Arjun ne nihatte Karn par baan kyon mara... kya ye maryada ka ullanghan nahin tha?"

एक बहुत ही साधारण पर टेढा सवाल किया है....
अर्जुन ने कर्ण की हत्या कहीं लड़ाई के नियमों का उल्लंघन कर तो नहीं की? मैं इस बारे में जो समझता हूँ वो ये है की हमारा ये basic presumption ही ठीक नहीं है कि अर्जुन ने निहत्थे कर्ण पर वार किया. अगर अर्जुन जैसा महारथी किसी भी निहत्थे पर वार करता है तो फिर वो सरासर गलत है और कोई भी सफाई नहीं दी जा सकती. लेकिन इस episode में, बल्कि किसी भी युद्ध में यह निश्चित करना बहुत जरूरी है कि निहत्था मानने के लिए किस वक्त कि स्थिति को देखा जाए.... जिस वक्त युद्ध शुरू हुआ या जिस वक्त युद्ध खत्म हुआ. मेरा मानना है कि यह स्थिति युद्ध शुरू होने के वक्त कि मानी जाती है न कि मध्य या अंत की. युद्ध शुरू होने के बाद हाथ से हथियार गिरना या टूटना या खत्म हो जाना बेमाने है. बल्कि अच्छा योद्धा एक रणनीति के तहत अपने प्रतिद्वंद्वी के हथियारों को तोडेगा या खत्म करेगा या और तरह से बेकार करेगा और फिर उस पर काबू करेगा.

युद्ध शुरू होने के बाद हथियारों कि पूर्ती, या मरम्मत वगैरह के लिए कोई टाइम आउट नहीं मिलता. युद्ध शुरू होने के उपरांत योद्धा के पास कुछ ही विकल्प बचते हैं जैसे:
(१) युद्ध में दुश्मन पर काबू कर अपनी जीत निश्चित करे
(२) लड़ते लड़ते वीरगति को प्राप्त हो
(३) कमजोर पड़ने पर हथियार डाल दे और जान सलामती निश्चित करे
(४) मैदान-ए-जंग से भाग खड़ा हो और जान बचाए.
लड़ाई के बीच में अगर निहत्था होने पर दुश्मन वार नहीं कर सकता होता तो कोई सिपाही युद्ध में मारा नहीं जाता. जब भी वह कमजोर पड़ता, अपने हथियार छोड़ देता और युद्ध भूमि से बिना किसी डर के टहलता हुआ निकल जाता.

पर नहीं नियम ऐसा नहीं होता. युद्ध शुरू होने के बाद योद्धा या तो जीते या हारे. हारे तो या तो हथियार डाल दे और गिरफ़्तारी दे या लड़ते लड़ते जान देदे. और या फिर मैदान से भाग जाये और कायर कहलाये. कर्ण और अर्जुन के बीच क्या हुआ. लड़ाई शुरू होने के वक्त दोनों हथियारों से लैस थे और दोनों ने युद्ध कि मर्यादा में रहते हुए लड़ाई लड़ी. कर्ण घिरना शुरू हुआ... घोड़े थक गए... रथ का पहिया फँस गया... कर्ण नीचे उतर कर खुद पहिया निकालने लगा... लेकिन इस वक्त क्या ये कोई टाइम आउट था? क्या कर्ण जीत गया था? क्या कर्ण ने हथियार दाल दिए थे? क्या उस वक्त उसने लड़ना बंद कर दिया था और गिरफ्तार किया जा सकता था? नहीं.. इसमें से कुछ भी नहीं था... न तो वो उस वक्त तक जीता था और न ही उसने हथियार डाले थे .

और अर्जुन कि हालत क्या थी? कर्ण भारी पड़ रहा था और तगड़ा मुकाबला कर रहा था... फिर उसका पहिया फंसा और वो खुद रथ से उतर गया... क्यों? क्या अर्जुन उसे मारने से रुकता कि उस वक्त उसने हथियार नहीं पकड़ा था...? तो क्या उसे छोड़ देना चाहिए था? ये एक योद्धा कि शान के खिलाफ होता... उसे गिरफ्तार कर लेता? ये भी योद्धा के लिए शर्मनाक बात होती और न ही कर्ण ऐसा करने देता... युद्ध अपनी ताकत और अपनी कमजोरी के बीच मिलने वाले मौकों से ही जीते जाते हैं... सो उन हालात में अर्जुन का कर्ण पर वार करना ही उसका असली धर्म पालन था...

हाँ हमेशा कि तरह से ही इस बार भी अर्जुन संशय की स्थिति में था. उसे समझ नहीं आ रहा था कि वार करे या न करे. यही महाभारत कि खूबसूरती है. हर बार एक दोराहे पर लाती है और फिर सही और गलत के बीच चुनने के लिए बोलती है. श्री कृष्ण ऐसे समय में ही सही और गलत में भेद उजागर करते हैं.......

इस तरह से मेरी नजर में अर्जुन द्वारा कर्ण वध में कोई गलत बात नहीं है. ये तो सही और गलत के बीच भेद करने की एक बात है.
14 July 2011


"कौरवो और पांडवो 
में कौन ज्यादा छलिया व कपटी था?"

ज्यादा टेढा सवाल खड़ा कर दिया है. खैर ये तो हम सभी जानते हैं कि श्री कृष्ण सबसे बड़े छलिया थे. तो मैं मानता हूँ कि ये एक बहुत बड़ी विडम्बना होती अगर छल में पांडवों से कोई आगे निकल जाता. पर हाँ मामा शकुनी के शागिर्द, कौरव, कपट से भरे थे और पांडव इस क्षेत्र में दूर दूर तक भी मुकाबले में नहीं थे.
15 July 2011
Mahabharat ke liye kaun jimmewar hai? Shakuni, Draupadi ya Duryodhan?

Confusion तो सच में बहुत बड़ा है. पर मेरा मानना है कि महाभारत एक ऐसा महान ग्रन्थ है कि जिसमे characters की कमी नहीं है और उनकी सबकी अपनी एक जगह है. द्रौपदी, दुर्योधन, शकुनी, ध्रतराष्ट्र यहाँ तक कि भीष्म भी अकेले में बहुत छोटे पड़ जाते हैं पूरे महाभारत कि जिम्मेवारी लेने के लिए. जो सब कुछ हुआ उसमे इन सबका role था मगर किसी एक को जिम्मेवार ठहराना जहाँ उस के role को बढ़ा चढा कर आंकना होगा वहीँ वो बाकी औरों के महत्व को नज़रंदाज़ करने जैसा होगा.
15 July 2011

"तो कौन है फिर जिम्मेवार..??"

अकेले 'उस' को भी जिम्मेवार ठहराना ठीक नहीं...... हा हा हा ... उसकी तो सारी लीला है ही पर छोटी लीला और सबकी भी है....
15 July 2011

"ये जो गीता का उपदेश है ... ये कितने समय तक चला था भगवान और अर्जुन जी के बीच में?"

700 mein saare shloka Shri Krishna aur Arjun ke sanvaad nahin hain... is mein Sanjay aur Dhritrashtra ki baaten bhi hain. Arjun ya Shri Krishna to pahle adhyay mein aadhe ke bhi baad hi aate hain..... aur us samay doosri fauzen kya kar rahi hongi?.... wait... fauzen aamne saamne lag gayi thin.. Bhishm ne shankh bajaya... Shri Krishna ne 'Panchajanya' bajaya, even Arjun ne bhi shankh baja diya tha... par jab Shri Krishna rath ko lekar donon senaon ke beech aa gaye to dono senapati ruk gaye aur yuddh shuru nahin hua... lekin fall-in ho chuke the.. line-tod nahin kar sakte the..... hahaha...... kuchh aur karne nahin jaa sakte the.... haan agar 'Shankh' tab tak nahin baje hote to kuchh aur karne jaa sakte the.. us waqt to bas Shri Krishna ke beech se hatne ka intezar hi karte rahe.....
17 July 2011

Monday, May 2, 2011

fbd: Dowry

Dowry--- the issue keeps on coming in debates and discussions and we always find a lot many of us publically saying no to dowry. Yet I have found that equally good number of us are a little uncomfortable with the pledge. And I must confess I find it a little uncomfortable to take such a pledge. Frankly speaking if someone tells me that I should not give anything in marriage of my daughter, I’m afraid I might not agree. I can’t imagine marrying off my dear daughter and not giving her anything in marriage. She would be starting a new phase in her life and nothing should prevent me from giving her gifts as per my capability and affection for her. But if my would-be son-in-law has taken a public pledge not to accept anything in marriage then what do I do? I strongly feel we have to reconcile the two situations. One man’s gift could be other man’s dowry. We need to clearly differentiate between the two….. a ‘voluntary gift’ within one’s capabilities and a ‘compulsive dowry’ under pressure, either from the groom’s side or from own relatives.
Dahej I feel is a very pious word if taken in the right spirit. It is something given by a caring father to a daughter or by a loving brother to a sister on her marriage. However if any such exchange is under compulsion then it is not Dahej. Under pressure it is extortion and its perpetrators be tried and prosecuted accordingly.
Sometime back there was a heated debate on the subject in Sheel Bhai’s blog. I had posted a comment there. Since the readers in this group are different, I am posting extracts from those comments below:

“This menace of dowry has made many a lives miserable. To carry the debate further I am mentioning here what the law says on this issue:
THE DOWRY PROHIBITION ACT, 1961 defines Dowry as:

‘any property or valuable security given or agreed to be given either directly or indirectly-
(a) by one party to a marriage to the other party to the marriage; or
(b) by the parents of either party to a marriage or by any other person, to either party to the marriage or to any other person at or before or any time after the marriage.
The act makes an exception as below:
Nothing above shall apply to: 
presents which are given at the time of a marriage to the bride or bridegroom (without any demand having been made in that behalf) and such presents are of a customary nature and the value thereof is not excessive having regard to the financial status of the person by whom, or on whose behalf, such presents are given.’

Thus it can be seen that the law also makes a distinction between the dowry under demand and the presents given to a beti by her father or to a bahen by her brother or other members of her family. The law does not prevent exchange of items as far as the same are of a customary nature and within the financial status of the person by whom presents are given.

Thus all gifts and presents given in marriage are not bad. And in view of the financial status, an item could be dowry in one case but a normal gift in another. We should not feel apologetic about the customary items received by a couple in marriage. But yes the line is very thin and we have to understand the spirit behind it.

I have highlighted this legal aspect here as I felt that without proper understanding of the legal aspect we would not be able to carry out the required reforms. How can you tell a father not to give anything to his daughter? But you can always motivate one not to give, or demand, anything which comes anywhere close to dowry ie which is under compulsion or beyond one’s capabilities or simply a shameful display of wealth without any sense. While I very strongly oppose giving anything in marriage on demand, or under compulsion and pressure, or beyond one’s financial capability or merely as a show-off, I whole heartedly support voluntary exchange of gifts in marriage, as it shows care and affection towards the bride, towards a bitiya, towards a sister. I gave her agift on her birthday, on her going to school, on her successful project in school… why shouldn’t I give one on her marriage?

Another reason why I have mentioned about this legal aspect is the need to educate and counter the forces which continue to support such evil for their own personal interests. And to justify their illegal demands in marriage they compare the same with justified gifts received by others in their marriage. They would oppose reformist attempts by any means. Many a times they would say something on your face but then comment differently behind your back.”

I had made this comment last year and I stand by it. I request you all to give it a thought and exchange your ideas on the subject so that we can help our youth take a well-considered stand on the issue which she/he feels by heart rather than committing herself/himself on sentiments and abstract ideas without any convictions and later find it difficult to support one’s own ideas. 
Thanks.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/gurjarpratihars/permalink/199618846742564/


 Lets put it in a different way. If one has a son and a daughter. The son will inherit all his property. Does his daughter has a right to his property? If no.. then why not? And if yes.. then when and how to give her that fair share of the property? Before marriage through division of assets? During marriage by means of gifts and presents? Or after marriage through division of assets? Or not at all at any stage?

 In such case (where dahej is demanded) it should be treated like extortion and its perpetrators be punished for same.

Wednesday, April 27, 2011

facebook discussion: "Satya Sai Baba" of Puttuparthi and his chamatkars

I fully agree with 90% of what have been written but this 90% belongs to just 10% of satya Sai Baba's life. I have never been a fan or follower of satya Sai Baba but still I admire what he has done for the masses. Apart from water, health, electricity etc it includes giving them 'faith'.. a firm believe in a god. And you'll agree faith is a great healer. I look at his numerous magical skills otherwise. In our childhood our parents played lot of tricks on us and later we played those 'magical' tricks on our children and made small balls, coins, pens etc vanish in thin here. We did it not to be-fool our kids but to either amuse them or to lead them to something better. And btw 'rebirth' is yet to be disapproved by science. Regards..
25 April 2011

The issue is.. many more have wealthier trusts. The important thing is what are they doing with that. And well proclaiming himself as GODMAN is part of his shady 10 % I mentioned earlier. Some of his followers are well educated and respected personalities, thus I doubt if education has much to do with it. But lets spread education so that at least some of the superstitions are taken care of.
25 April 2011

Let's not miss wood for the trees. His past is shady, his activities smack of frauds, murders and other crimes. But, may be at a very late stage though, he filled a vacuum in spiritual aspirations of his followers. I grade him higher than many more with similar pasts or presents, Pawar for one, who have equal or more money but no philanthropy. Bill Gates after duping crores by his restrictive trade practices donates a fraction of his wealth and is lauded. Lets give devil his due. At least on his last journey. Amen
26 April 2011

Tuesday, April 26, 2011

facebook discussion: Badalta Bharat: Adhunikta banam Vikas

There are two issues here. Aadhunikta and social values.
Aadhunikta is just being in sync with today. Sending emails and SMS to announce birth of your child instead of sending letters by post, using computers in place of type writers, driving cars ipo bail-gaadi, using plates ipo pattals, using piped gas ipo gobar ke uple etc is being modern. These are aadhunik cheezen. Use them and be contemporary or don’t use them and be out of sync with today’s world.
And social values are Kaal-Desh specific. One social value may not be relevant at a different place at the same time or at the same place at different times. And in society one may choose to be one with social values or at confrontation with the same.
As far as kissing one’s wife in public is concerned I feel it has got nothing to do with modernity or aadhunikta. It is more a matter of social values. Some societies have adopted it in their values as neatly highlighted by Sachinji others have not. Today our society does not permit it. One has to stop somewhere. From not even walking together in public to just moving together to holding hands in public to kissing in public to… what next…. Members of the society set their limits. I love my wife… I need not make it a matter of public display… yet I am ready to kiss her in public.. Is my samaj ready to accept it? Are you ready?
25 April 2011

I feel modernity is just a change or departure from recent past. It is comparative by means of time and progress not necessarily by means of thoughts. I consider it different from open-ness of
mind. Do we mean that the society has been most open and forward looking today than it was 2 years ago, 200 years ago or 2000 years ago. I refuse to accept that society as depicted in Shakuntalam, in Ramayan and Mahabharat, in various other books of past was comparatively narrow minded than it is today.I feel it was as open or perhaps more open to new ideas then than it is now. Being traditional ie not being modern does not necessarily mean being less open-minded. Bhai I would still walk a mile to eat a chulhe ki roti and I can vouch for it some of them living in far flung villages away from electricity and cell phones are more open minded in their approach than most of us living in our so called modern cities.
25 April 2011

Monday, April 25, 2011

facebook discussion: Medical Tests Before Marriage

A suggestion in facebook by a member:
"...... on medical check-up of the boy and girl before their marriage, specially in context of possibility of transfer of genes. If medical check-up be done before marriage, the possibility of Thalassemia, Haemophilia, Celiac or Hemoglobinopathy will be known to us. Henceforth, the prevention can be done.Aids and other hereditary diseases can be prevented by just a simple blood test of the couple before their marriage. After a certain period of time it becomes impossible to cure hereditary diseases. So its better to avoid marriage of a couple who have presence of a same gene. Many problems can be avoided by just checking the RH factor of the couple. The children of the couple where girl is RH negative and boy is RH positive, are found with big ailments.
The only solution to prevent /stop diseases like Thalassemia is medical check-up of the couple before their marriage. Actually, there are 23 pairs or 46 chromosomes in one body. If one gene is defected/abnormal, then the other genes of the couple cover this problem. This gene is called as regressive and the patient is called as silent carrier. If both the husband and wife are silent cariers, there is a 25% possibility of Thalassemia in their child.
We can avoid such problems/diseases by medical check-up of the couple before marriage. Hereditary problems are leading to a long list of diabetic and cancer patients today. Doctors believe, if the couple have any gene of such hereditary diseases, there is a great possibility of their children being born patients."


A thought provoking issue. Generally one can see that though we all agree on the importance of such a test the point of contention is -how to go about it. Some of our brothers & sisters have raised some very reasonable issues from ethics to social values....... I just discussed the issue with a Medical Officer and he has informed that this genetic disorder is permanent. Like a blood group it also remains the same throughout one's life.... And here lies the solution. One can get his or her children tested at any stage, even when they are in school years before any talk of their marriage. And subsequently at later stage we can match this report just like we match the gotra at initial stage itself before further talks between two families. I think it will address all embarrassments and other ethical issues. Regards....
24 April 2011

facebook discussion: LOVE MARRIAGE या ARRANGED MARRIAGE

I don’t see any marriage without an arrangement. Two strangers meeting by the road side do not get married instantly. Either it is arranged by the families of the two by checking various compatibility factors or is arranged by just the two of them on a single factor of LOVE between the two. As I see it both are two different versions of arranged marriages. One arranged by experts and other by novices.
Both can succeed or fail. But a prototype developed by experts has greater probability of succeeding over the one developed by amateurs, I suppose.
24 April 2011

Friday, February 18, 2011

Drinking: Where does it stand in the books of religion?


Satbir Singh posted on his wall on facebook today:
Peene Ki Aadat Thi Mujhe,
Usne Apni Kasam De Kar Chhuda Di,
Baitha tha Mehfil Main Yaroon ki,
Aur Yaaron Ne Uski Kasam Dekar Pila Di 


I commented
Tabhi to Ghalib ne kaha tha 'Ghalib chhuti sharab to lekin kabhi kabhie'. 

More comments are pouring in but the couplet set the ball rolling and made me ponder, “Where does drinking stand in the books of religion and spiritualism”? As we see it most of.. rather almost all the religious books have something to say against drinking. All those religious books say that one should not drink.. that it is 'sin' to drink.. it is paap. Whereas most intellectuals have a different take on it. Ghalib's shayari, Bachchanji's 'Madhushala' are just a few of many examples.

But is there really something against drinking in the original scriptures? Here I consider these religious books different from the scriptures. Scriptures are the real and authentic compilations of very basics of a particular religion and these 'religious books' are the guidelines, do's & don'ts based on the understanding of those scriptures. So basically, or scripturally, is any religion really against drinking?

I find drinking or non-drinking is not really an issue with any religion. No religion actually prohibits or promotes drinking or use of other drugs or intoxicants like tobacco or even 'afeem', 'bhang' etc. In fact why it should? An intoxicant for one could be a medicine for other. Even for same person different quantities of same drug or syrup could mean different things under different conditions. One spoonful of an expectorant is medicine, two is an overdose and more could even be fatal. It is said that even wheat has intoxicant effects... one might remember Sany Kabir's couplet:
'Kanak Kanak te sou guni maadakta adhikaye,
ek khay bauraat jan, ek paaye bauraay'

So how would any religion differentiate and quantify something as a life saving medicine or as a mere drink or as a narcotic drug and intoxicant. And also why would any religion get involved in such nitty gritty. Even simple food can make one feel sleepy at a particular time during the day. To quantify the dose universally is not an easy task and, as stated earlier, not the real issue with any religion. Bhagwan Mahesh or Shiva is known to use all these different Som Rasa's and regularly consume all sort of intoxicants like Bhang etc. So why would he stop his followers from using the same?

We can very easily see that no religious scripture actually prohibits consumption of intoxicants. What any religion really warns against is 'getting drunk'. And actually that's the real matter of concern. Drinking is not considered bad, only getting drunk is. Loosing one's senses is bad. And though almost everything has its quantity of intoxicants in it, the degree varies from one item to another. From water to milk to tea to beer to rum etc the degree of getting drunk differs, quantity of drink remaining the same. Many a medicinal syrups have alcohol. Using all these drugs and many other such things can not be bad as long as it improves one's health and well being or atleast does not adversly affect one's health, finances or senses. If one loses all one's senses even after a glass of milk then even that glass of milk is not good and will fall under the prohibited category.

But yes intoxicating effects of certain items like alcohol, narcotics etc spread much faster and can even be fatal if not controlled. It requires a very high degree of discipline and control to stay within the limits. Such items are included in religious books and guidelines under prohibited category. It is not simply drinking which is feared... mere drinking is no vice.. but the real fear is that uncontrolled it may make one lose one's senses, lose his powers of discretion, 'vivek'. And in that condition one might not be in a position, albeit temporarily, to distinguish between a good act and a bad and may actually committ an act by body or by mind which might be sinful and, in which one would not have got involved under one's full senses.

Drinking alcohol in itself is not a sin- nor even a dangerous thing but only as long as it is within limits. But only a small quantity of it comes within the category of limit. It is very easy to cross limits with an alcoholic drink. And when the limit is crossed then the faculty that is affected the most is our power of discretion- our 'vivek'. And when 'vivek' is gone one may actually committ a sinful act which one might not have committed otherwise.

So cheers all ye tipplers. No problems with drinking... just be careful of getting drunk...