If this is accepted as a means to get your bidding, then wouldn’t some one come tomorrow saying ‘throw away democracy bring in martial law’, or say ‘remove Hindi from India and introduce Swahili’… etc etc… If something like it happens and someone sits on an Anshan demanding anything like this or even more weird then what do we do?
And if the answer to any of these queries is ‘No’ then we can take all legal police and political action against that anshan. But if the answer to these questions is in the affirmative then you, me or anyone else has no ‘Constitutional’ right to oppose that anshan. It is as simple as that.
And believe me this type of a 'Constitutional' act would only strengthen the democracy by strengthening its Institutions.
As far as blackmailing is concerned, the motive is important.
‘A’ asks ‘B’ to leave his bag aside otherwise he will shoot at 'B' with his gun.
What would you call it?
Reconsider your response in light of further inputs viz:
(1) ‘A’ is a roadside mugger and ‘B’ is someone who has just got out of the Bank after withdrawing his own legitimate money.
(2) ‘A’ is a Gate-keeper and ‘B’ is a thief coming out of the Bank after looting the bank.
We have to look at it with this perspective.
To me,
(1) Yes Anna’s demand to have an ‘effective’ Lokpal is ‘Constitutional’.
(2) Yes his method of going on anshan is ‘Constitutional’.
(3) Yes this move is in National Interest, and
(4) Well here I would say NO this is not yet ‘the’ last resort. It is still only intermediate stage. The last resort would be too risky and too painful.15 August 2011
It is a matter of personal experiences. With an experience of 74 years behind him and with a history of his efforts, Anna has felt the need of this agitation. Like millions other in India he feels that this 'system' is breeding corruption and there is no check. The ones indulged in corruption are the ones expected to check it. At least I don't doubt his credentials.
15 August 2011
Anna is not making a 'kanoon'. He is proposing a draft which can be made a 'kanoon' if approved by law. And not only Anna every Indian has a right to 'propose'. For more than four decades the need has been felt but the proper 'kanoon' was neither drafted nor passed.
So I request to correct the impression that Anna is trying to pass a bill by by-passing the Parliament.
15 August 2011
"We can make a suggestion but can not force the parliament to do so". Fine let the Parliament turn down the suggestion. But you are not allowing us to put up a suggestion before the parliament.
Further there are n number of instances when suggestions have been invited from the public through press on particular bills. Govt had published an advfacebook discussion: ertisement in the English Daily "The Hindu" dated 24.06.2010, inviting written comments/suggestions either in English or in Hindi on the 'Civil Liabilities for Nuclear Damage Bill 2010'. In the terms of the notification those, who are willing to appear before the committee for oral evidence, besides submitting the memoranda were also asked to indicate so. It is a well known procedure. And very very constitutional at that.
The question of encroaching upon the judiciary to deliver the judgement by making such suggestions as that of Anna Hazare, just does not arise.
15 August 2011
Someone has suggested that "anna hazare ji is not only proposing the lokpal bill now they are trying to force the government to implement as they want ....."
First thing the fight is for a draft first its implementation will
come much later. Let there be the draft first.
Secondly if any draft is accepted then it has to be implemented through due process of law making. It is no use making a draft and then not putting it through the process.
16 August 2011
Secondly someone has said that people do not know about Lokpal Bill but they are supporting Anna on it.
May be an ordinary citizen of India really does not understand what this bill is all about. But when they see people like "Justice D S Tewatia, Kiran Bedi, Mallika Sarabhai, Swami Agnivesh, Sri Sri Ravishankar, Arcbishop Vincent M Concessao, B R Lalla" etc etc supporting some issue, it gives them confidence that it might be something good. This confidence, this belief is sufficient for them to lend their support.
16 August 2011
Agar ye sab bhi corruption mein lipt hain to ye aur bhi badi wajah hai ki hamen ek aisa system devise karna chahiye jo aise corruption ko failne se roke. Hamen ye kah kar inke suggestion ko ignore nahin karna chahiye ki kyonki aap bhi corrupt the to ab corruption ko rokne ki koi koshish aap ko nahin karne denge.
16 August 2011
Yes it is very difficult to eradicate corruption. Baba Ramdev's, Anna's are a few small attempts it will take much more than this. There is very stiff opposition from those who are enjoying the benefits of corruption. We all have to come forward and do our bit.
16 August 2011
Agar wo sab corrupt hain Ramdev 'fully corrupt' hai to kya majboori hai sarkar kii ki unhe giraftaar nahin kar rahi? itni badi personalities par unsubstantiated allegations laga kar ham sirg bhrashtachaariyon ke haath hi majboot karte hain.
16 August 2011
Hame ek logical approach lekar chalna hai. kisi bhi muhim ke liye ek leader kii jaroorat hoti hai. Anna ya Ramdev se jyada suitable ya willing leader agar koi aata hai to sab unhe bhi support karenge. koi aaye to.
16 August 2011
Then the issue would be:
Is that demand ‘Constitutional’?
Is the method ‘Constitutional’?
Is that in National interest?
Is that the last resort?
Is that demand ‘Constitutional’?
Is the method ‘Constitutional’?
Is that in National interest?
Is that the last resort?
And if the answer to any of these queries is ‘No’ then we can take all legal police and political action against that anshan. But if the answer to these questions is in the affirmative then you, me or anyone else has no ‘Constitutional’ right to oppose that anshan. It is as simple as that.
And believe me this type of a 'Constitutional' act would only strengthen the democracy by strengthening its Institutions.
As far as blackmailing is concerned, the motive is important.
‘A’ asks ‘B’ to leave his bag aside otherwise he will shoot at 'B' with his gun.
What would you call it?
Reconsider your response in light of further inputs viz:
(1) ‘A’ is a roadside mugger and ‘B’ is someone who has just got out of the Bank after withdrawing his own legitimate money.
(2) ‘A’ is a Gate-keeper and ‘B’ is a thief coming out of the Bank after looting the bank.
We have to look at it with this perspective.
To me,
(1) Yes Anna’s demand to have an ‘effective’ Lokpal is ‘Constitutional’.
(2) Yes his method of going on anshan is ‘Constitutional’.
(3) Yes this move is in National Interest, and
(4) Well here I would say NO this is not yet ‘the’ last resort. It is still only intermediate stage. The last resort would be too risky and too painful.15 August 2011
It is a matter of personal experiences. With an experience of 74 years behind him and with a history of his efforts, Anna has felt the need of this agitation. Like millions other in India he feels that this 'system' is breeding corruption and there is no check. The ones indulged in corruption are the ones expected to check it. At least I don't doubt his credentials.
15 August 2011
Anna is not making a 'kanoon'. He is proposing a draft which can be made a 'kanoon' if approved by law. And not only Anna every Indian has a right to 'propose'. For more than four decades the need has been felt but the proper 'kanoon' was neither drafted nor passed.
So I request to correct the impression that Anna is trying to pass a bill by by-passing the Parliament.
15 August 2011
"We can make a suggestion but can not force the parliament to do so". Fine let the Parliament turn down the suggestion. But you are not allowing us to put up a suggestion before the parliament.
Further there are n number of instances when suggestions have been invited from the public through press on particular bills. Govt had published an advfacebook discussion: ertisement in the English Daily "The Hindu" dated 24.06.2010, inviting written comments/suggestions either in English or in Hindi on the 'Civil Liabilities for Nuclear Damage Bill 2010'. In the terms of the notification those, who are willing to appear before the committee for oral evidence, besides submitting the memoranda were also asked to indicate so. It is a well known procedure. And very very constitutional at that.
The question of encroaching upon the judiciary to deliver the judgement by making such suggestions as that of Anna Hazare, just does not arise.
15 August 2011
Someone has suggested that "anna hazare ji is not only proposing the lokpal bill now they are trying to force the government to implement as they want ....."
First thing the fight is for a draft first its implementation will
come much later. Let there be the draft first.
Secondly if any draft is accepted then it has to be implemented through due process of law making. It is no use making a draft and then not putting it through the process.
16 August 2011
Secondly someone has said that people do not know about Lokpal Bill but they are supporting Anna on it.
May be an ordinary citizen of India really does not understand what this bill is all about. But when they see people like "Justice D S Tewatia, Kiran Bedi, Mallika Sarabhai, Swami Agnivesh, Sri Sri Ravishankar, Arcbishop Vincent M Concessao, B R Lalla" etc etc supporting some issue, it gives them confidence that it might be something good. This confidence, this belief is sufficient for them to lend their support.
16 August 2011
Agar ye sab bhi corruption mein lipt hain to ye aur bhi badi wajah hai ki hamen ek aisa system devise karna chahiye jo aise corruption ko failne se roke. Hamen ye kah kar inke suggestion ko ignore nahin karna chahiye ki kyonki aap bhi corrupt the to ab corruption ko rokne ki koi koshish aap ko nahin karne denge.
16 August 2011
Yes it is very difficult to eradicate corruption. Baba Ramdev's, Anna's are a few small attempts it will take much more than this. There is very stiff opposition from those who are enjoying the benefits of corruption. We all have to come forward and do our bit.
16 August 2011
Agar wo sab corrupt hain Ramdev 'fully corrupt' hai to kya majboori hai sarkar kii ki unhe giraftaar nahin kar rahi? itni badi personalities par unsubstantiated allegations laga kar ham sirg bhrashtachaariyon ke haath hi majboot karte hain.
16 August 2011
Hame ek logical approach lekar chalna hai. kisi bhi muhim ke liye ek leader kii jaroorat hoti hai. Anna ya Ramdev se jyada suitable ya willing leader agar koi aata hai to sab unhe bhi support karenge. koi aaye to.
16 August 2011
Main manta hun ki wo bhi corrupt rahe hon. lekin agar aap specifically mera jawab chaahte hain to jab tak koi baat unke khilaaf saabit nahin ho rahi mein bilkul nahin kah sakta ki wo corrupt hain. Ek vyakti ki puri reputation ko main sirf shak ke binah par hi khatam nahin kar sakta.
16 August 2011
Secondly someone asked "kya aap poore vishvaas kai sath kah sakte hai", to bhai poore vishwaas se to main kisi ko bhi, even Raja aur Kalmaadi ko bhi nahin kah raha fir jinke khilaaf koi mukadma nahin hai aap wahan mere poore vishwas ko kyon question kar rahe hain?
16 August 2011
16 August 2011
Secondly someone asked "kya aap poore vishvaas kai sath kah sakte hai", to bhai poore vishwaas se to main kisi ko bhi, even Raja aur Kalmaadi ko bhi nahin kah raha fir jinke khilaaf koi mukadma nahin hai aap wahan mere poore vishwas ko kyon question kar rahe hain?
16 August 2011
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